Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2025 13:26:21 -0700
From: trollhunter <hans@franz.not>
Newsgroups: rec.food.cooking,can.politics,alt.military,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,alt.democrats
Subject: Re: OT: Meathead
On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 19:39:01 +0000
Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:
> trollhunter <hans@franz.not> wrote in
> news:20251218110338.30ded631@z-z:
>=20
> > On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 08:44:42 -0500
> > Dave Smith <adavid.smith@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> > =20
> >> On 2025-12-18 12:29 a.m., Ed P wrote: =20
> >> > On 12/18/2025 12:16 AM, Leonard Blaisdell wrote: =20
> >> >> On 2025-12-17, Ed P <esp@snet.n> wrote:
> >> >> =20
> >> >>> Not at all.=C2=A0 I recognize honesty and integrity.=C2=A0 I don't=
se =20
> > e much =20
> >> >>> of it in the present administration. =20
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Did you see any at all, in the last administration? If so, tell
> >> >> me. Don't believe what you're told. Believe your lying eyes. =20
> >> >=20
> >> > The faults and errors of the last administration do not allow
> >> > this one to be as bad or worse. =20
> >>=20
> >> Yeah. Look at the fiasco in Afghanistan for one. Trump really
> >> ripped into Biden for pulling out and leaving all that military
> >> equipment behind. Oh wait.... that was the deal that Trump made.
> >> =20
> >=20
> > Nope.
> >=20
> > https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/bidens_weak_national_security_po
> > licies2.pdf=20
> >=20
> > The Department of Defense (DOD) estimates that $7.12 billion of U.S.
> > defense equipment remained in Afghanistan after the hasty and
> > ill-planned withdrawal. Even President Biden=E2=80=99s National Security
> > Advisor Jake Sullivan confirmed, =E2=80=9CWe don=E2=80=99t have a compl=
ete
> > picture, obviously, of where every article of defense materials has
> > gone, but certainly a fair amount of it has fallen into the hands of
> > the Taliban.=E2=80=9D=20
> >=20
> > The Taliban now has state-of-the-art U.S. military equipment to
> > impose its authoritarian rule over Afghan citizens, sell weapons to
> > our enemies, and perpetuate an unstable Middle East. In one
> > desperate and impulsive policy decision, the Biden Administration
> > reversed 20 years of progress made in Afghanistan that included an
> > investment of $2.3 trillion U.S. taxpayer dollars and the lives of
> > thousands of patriots. The Biden Administration abdicated its duty
> > to the memory of our warriors and gave the Taliban=E2=80=94 those who we
> > came to fight against 20 years ago=E2=80=94an advanced western military
> > arsenal.=20
> >> Biden was
> >> just left holding the bag for what Trump had done. =20
>=20
> =20
> > "...in February 2020, Trump signed an agreement with the Taliban=20
> >=20
> > Trump's Taliban deal, =20
>=20
>=20
> The Afhganistan surrender was
> by Trump, under Trump, with timetables
> demanded set by Trump. The entire retret-
> and-surrender package was pure Trump.=20
No part of the package required leaving US military hardware for them,
you LIE again Twitchy Mitchy!
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/harris-campaign-trump-taliban-afghanistan-with=
drawal/
"...in February 2020, Trump signed an agreement with the Taliban to pave
the way for a significant drawdown of U.S. troops in Afghanistan by the
end of that year, in exchange for guarantees from the Taliban that the
country would not be used for terrorist activities."
You see that?
_a significant drawdown of U.S. troops_
No mention of military hardware to be left, just none at all.
"Mr. Biden panned Trump's Taliban deal, but followed through with it,
extending the withdrawal deadline by a couple of months to have troops
out by Sept. 11, 2021, to avoid further military escalation in the
country."
You see that?
_extending the withdrawal deadline by a couple of months to have troops
out_
No mention of military hardware to be left, just none at all.
"As the chaotic withdrawal unfolded in August 2021, Harris emphasized
the focus on evacuating American citizens and Afghans working with the
U.S."
No mention of military hardware to be left, just none at all.
Case closed.