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On 2026-01-18 16:03, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <10kjr2k$3rq66$10@dont-email.me>, nuh-
> uh@nope.com says...
>>
>> On 2026-01-18 15:37, Skeeter wrote:
>>> In article <10kjp72$3rq8m$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-
>>> uh@nope.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On 2026-01-18 15:00, Skeeter wrote:
>>>>> In article <10kjo80$3qsla$6@dont-email.me>, nuh-
>>>>> uh@nope.com says...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 2026-01-18 06:52, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 14:25:57 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2026-01-17 06:38, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 11:19:59 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 2026-01-16 04:30, NoBody wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid intentionally and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative to using deadly force.'
>>>>>>>>>>>>> He did.  SHE changed that equation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> He chose to remain there when a single step to his right would have
>>>>>>>>>>>> taken him out of the danger area.
>>>>>>>>>>> Laughter!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I love how you pretend to be an armchair expert on what could or could
>>>>>>>>>>> not have been done.  She weaponized her vehicle and he perceived a
>>>>>>>>>>> threat to his life and safety.  Legit shoot.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If she'd intended to drive into him, she wouldn't have been turning her
>>>>>>>>>> steering wheel hard to the right...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Love how you armchair ICE agent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She reversed such that the vehicle was pointing towards him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As he was walking to her left.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good so you now admit she pointed her vehicle at him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is a start for you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I admit she was reversing to complete a turn that would finish by
>>>>>> driving away to her right.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She gunned the gas so much that her tires spun.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The road was slippery.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah...duh.  I'm sure you were trying to make a point...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That a slippery road means you don't have to "gun" the accelerator to
>>>>>> spin the wheels.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> She actually DID hit him.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That is unproven.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LAUGHTER!  All the video footage proves you to be a fool.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show a single frame of ANY video that shows the actual alleged contact.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...and therefore AWAY from him.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Irrelevent since she weaponized her vehicle.
>>>>>>>>> Justified use of force.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not according to any use of force policy that he could have been
>>>>>>>> operating under
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Quote the exact relevant passage that says it doesn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I already have, but...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...straight from the DHS website:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> '1-16.200 - USE OF DEADLY FORCE AND PROHIBITED RESTRAINT TECHNIQUES
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles.
>>>>>> Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless:
>>>>>> (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person
>>>>>> with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is
>>>>>> operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical
>>>>>> injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable
>>>>>> means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path
>>>>>> of the vehicle.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read that last part until you get it:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 'and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist,
>>>>>> which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She saw a man moving across from her right to left, and how was she to
>>>>>>>>>> know he'd stop moving?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Guess she should have made sure he was clear before she tried to run.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe she would have if another agent hadn't rushed up with no warning
>>>>>>>> and grabbed her driver's side door.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> LAUGHTER!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's a crime to flee from the police.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Irrelevant to whether shooting her was justified.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Duh.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is basic logic here and you blame HIM for HER decisions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I blame HIM for HIS decisions.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Laughter!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Specifically:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The decision to stop in front of a vehicle that was in motion a moment
>>>>>>>> before and which he could see from the fact that she was steering to her
>>>>>>>> right was going to be in motion again in another moment...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pick a video of your choosing and tell me the timestamps that you are
>>>>>>> referring.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His own cellphone video:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QYKTTEMf-Q>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 25 seconds, you can see in HIS OWN VIDEO that she is steering her
>>>>>> wheel to the vehicle's right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Then why was she sideways in the road?
>>>>
>>>> Irrelevant to what we were discussing.
>>>
>>> You mean you want to ignore it because it brings up
>>> questions.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...in direct violation of policies regarding tactical positioning of
>>>>>>>> agents in such situations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Laughter!  He was already aside...until SHE changed that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> False. He was walking from the right side of her car towards the left
>>>>>> side even before she began moving.
>>>>>
>>>>> And she hit him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At 21 seconds of the same video, you can see him continuing to circle
>>>>>> the car BEFORE she starts moving backward with the steering turned to
>>>>>> her left.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. We saw what we saw you commie prick.
>>>>
>>>> You're lying.
>>>
>>> Nope. I also watched your peaceful protesters beat the
>>> hell out of two people last night just because they didn't
>>> agree. Today they stormed a church. A church fer
>>> chrissake. A bunch of brainwashed domestic terrorists.
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The decision to treat a vehicle as a threat when a step to his left
>>>>>>>> would have completely obviated the need to use deadly force...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This armchair quarterbacking of yours is just silliness or stupidity
>>>>>>> (pick one).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ...in direct violation of his use of force policies.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Shall I quote them again for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please quote ONLY the relevent sentences that say if a vehicle is
>>>>>>> proceeding towards you and your life is in danger that you are not
>>>>>>> allowed to use lethal force.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Done already.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are losing.
>>>> 2. Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles.
>>>> Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless:
>>>> (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person
>>>> with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is
>>>> operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical
>>>> injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable
>>>> means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path
>>>> of the vehicle.'
>>>
>>>
>>> POLICY'S!!!!  SQUAWK  POLICY'S!!!!
>>>>
>>>> Read that last part until you get it:
>>>>
>>>> 'and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist,
>>>> which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.'
>>>
>>> If this is all you have for a defense then you will lose
>>> in court.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm not going to court, doofus. Neither is Renee Good...
>>
>> ...because she was MURDERED.
> 
> Nope and the court will show it wasn't murder.

Deliberately setting up a situation you could have avoided so that you 
can shoot  someone?

>>
>> The officer SHOULD go to court, because he had no need to employ deadly
>> force.
> 
> The left will see that he does. Unless he get a paid off
> judge like Trump got then he will be exonerated.

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