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In article <10kjspa$3rq66$30@dont-email.me>, nuh-
uh@nope.com says...
> 
> On 2026-01-18 16:03, Skeeter wrote:
> > In article <10kjr2k$3rq66$10@dont-email.me>, nuh-
> > uh@nope.com says...
> >>
> >> On 2026-01-18 15:37, Skeeter wrote:
> >>> In article <10kjp72$3rq8m$2@dont-email.me>, nuh-
> >>> uh@nope.com says...
> >>>>
> >>>> On 2026-01-18 15:00, Skeeter wrote:
> >>>>> In article <10kjo80$3qsla$6@dont-email.me>, nuh-
> >>>>> uh@nope.com says...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 2026-01-18 06:52, NoBody wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 17 Jan 2026 14:25:57 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 2026-01-17 06:38, NoBody wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 11:19:59 -0800, Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 2026-01-16 04:30, NoBody wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. Authorized Officers/Agents should avoid intentionally and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> unreasonably placing themselves in positions in which they have no
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternative to using deadly force.'
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> He did.  SHE changed that equation.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> He chose to remain there when a single step to his right would have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> taken him out of the danger area.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Laughter!
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I love how you pretend to be an armchair expert on what could or could
> >>>>>>>>>>> not have been done.  She weaponized her vehicle and he perceived a
> >>>>>>>>>>> threat to his life and safety.  Legit shoot.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If she'd intended to drive into him, she wouldn't have been turning her
> >>>>>>>>>> steering wheel hard to the right...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Love how you armchair ICE agent.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> She reversed such that the vehicle was pointing towards him.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> As he was walking to her left.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Good so you now admit she pointed her vehicle at him.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is a start for you.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I admit she was reversing to complete a turn that would finish by
> >>>>>> driving away to her right.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> She gunned the gas so much that her tires spun.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The road was slippery.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Yeah...duh.  I'm sure you were trying to make a point...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That a slippery road means you don't have to "gun" the accelerator to
> >>>>>> spin the wheels.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> She actually DID hit him.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> That is unproven.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> LAUGHTER!  All the video footage proves you to be a fool.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Show a single frame of ANY video that shows the actual alleged contact.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ...and therefore AWAY from him.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Irrelevent since she weaponized her vehicle.
> >>>>>>>>> Justified use of force.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Not according to any use of force policy that he could have been
> >>>>>>>> operating under
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Quote the exact relevant passage that says it doesn't.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I already have, but...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...straight from the DHS website:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> '1-16.200 - USE OF DEADLY FORCE AND PROHIBITED RESTRAINT TECHNIQUES
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 2. Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles.
> >>>>>> Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless:
> >>>>>> (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person
> >>>>>> with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is
> >>>>>> operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical
> >>>>>> injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable
> >>>>>> means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path
> >>>>>> of the vehicle.'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Read that last part until you get it:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 'and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist,
> >>>>>> which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.'
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.justice.gov/jm/1-16000-department-justice-policy-use-force>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> She saw a man moving across from her right to left, and how was she to
> >>>>>>>>>> know he'd stop moving?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Guess she should have made sure he was clear before she tried to run.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Maybe she would have if another agent hadn't rushed up with no warning
> >>>>>>>> and grabbed her driver's side door.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> LAUGHTER!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It's a crime to flee from the police.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Irrelevant to whether shooting her was justified.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Duh.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> This is basic logic here and you blame HIM for HER decisions.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I blame HIM for HIS decisions.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Laughter!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Specifically:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The decision to stop in front of a vehicle that was in motion a moment
> >>>>>>>> before and which he could see from the fact that she was steering to her
> >>>>>>>> right was going to be in motion again in another moment...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Pick a video of your choosing and tell me the timestamps that you are
> >>>>>>> referring.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> His own cellphone video:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QYKTTEMf-Q>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At 25 seconds, you can see in HIS OWN VIDEO that she is steering her
> >>>>>> wheel to the vehicle's right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Then why was she sideways in the road?
> >>>>
> >>>> Irrelevant to what we were discussing.
> >>>
> >>> You mean you want to ignore it because it brings up
> >>> questions.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...in direct violation of policies regarding tactical positioning of
> >>>>>>>> agents in such situations.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Laughter!  He was already aside...until SHE changed that.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> False. He was walking from the right side of her car towards the left
> >>>>>> side even before she began moving.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And she hit him.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> At 21 seconds of the same video, you can see him continuing to circle
> >>>>>> the car BEFORE she starts moving backward with the steering turned to
> >>>>>> her left.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Bullshit. We saw what we saw you commie prick.
> >>>>
> >>>> You're lying.
> >>>
> >>> Nope. I also watched your peaceful protesters beat the
> >>> hell out of two people last night just because they didn't
> >>> agree. Today they stormed a church. A church fer
> >>> chrissake. A bunch of brainwashed domestic terrorists.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> The decision to treat a vehicle as a threat when a step to his left
> >>>>>>>> would have completely obviated the need to use deadly force...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This armchair quarterbacking of yours is just silliness or stupidity
> >>>>>>> (pick one).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ...in direct violation of his use of force policies.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Shall I quote them again for you?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please quote ONLY the relevent sentences that say if a vehicle is
> >>>>>>> proceeding towards you and your life is in danger that you are not
> >>>>>>> allowed to use lethal force.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Done already.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You are losing.
> >>>> 2. Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles.
> >>>> Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless:
> >>>> (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person
> >>>> with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is
> >>>> operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical
> >>>> injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable
> >>>> means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path
> >>>> of the vehicle.'
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> POLICY'S!!!!  SQUAWK  POLICY'S!!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Read that last part until you get it:
> >>>>
> >>>> 'and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist,
> >>>> which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.'
> >>>
> >>> If this is all you have for a defense then you will lose
> >>> in court.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> I'm not going to court, doofus. Neither is Renee Good...
> >>
> >> ...because she was MURDERED.
> > 
> > Nope and the court will show it wasn't murder.
> 
> Deliberately setting up a situation you could have avoided so that you 
> can shoot  someone?

Reread what I wrote and let it sink in.
> 
> >>
> >> The officer SHOULD go to court, because he had no need to employ deadly
> >> force.
> > 
> > The left will see that he does. Unless he get a paid off
> > judge like Trump got then he will be exonerated.
> 
> LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

The truth amuses you?  Both judges lost their jobs.