Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv,rec.arts.startrek.misc,rec.arts.startrek.fandom,rec.arts.sf.tv,can.arts.sf
Subject: Re: AI/LLM reviews of STNG Sub Rosa
From: anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
Organization: Easynews - www.easynews.com
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2025 16:51:50 -0700
The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
> AI/LLM reviews of STNG - Sub Rosa
A strong contender for worst episode
>
> Google Gemini
>
> Dr. Beverly Crusher
And that right there is why
travels to the desolate planet Caldos II for the funeral of her beloved
grandmother, Felisa Howard. While on the planet, Beverly inherits her
grandmother's property and finds Felisa's diary, which details a
passionate, century-long affair with a mysterious figure named Ronin.
Beverly soon begins to hear Ronin's voice, feeling drawn to him, and
eventually meets him in physical form, beginning an intense, sensual
relationship.
>
Ick
> The crew investigates strange occurrences, including wild weather
> patterns surrounding the estate and a mysterious candle that never seems
> to burn down. It is revealed that Ronin is not a human spirit but an
> anaphasic energy being residing in the family's antique candle. This
> entity has been subtly seducing, dominating, and drawing life energy from
> the women in CrusherâÂÂs family line for generations, essentially
> enslaving them with the promise of eternal love. The episode concludes
> with Beverly breaking Ronin's influence with assistance from Picard,
> destroying the entity, and returning to the Enterprise.
>
So an unhappy ending then
> Strengths
>
> Focus on Crusher: The episode attempts to give Dr. Crusher a major
> storyline centered on her family history and personal desires, which is
> rare in the final seasons.
>
Thatâs not a strength
> Atmosphere: The production design successfully creates a distinct,
> gothic, and moody atmosphere on Caldos II, setting it apart visually from
> standard Starfleet environments.
>
> Weaknesses
>
> Major Tone Conflict: This is the episode's biggest failing. The plot is a
> blend of gothic romance and a supernatural "ghost story" that completely
> violates the science-fiction framework and rationalist tone established
> by seven seasons of Trek. The idea of a sentient, candle-dwelling entity
> that seduces a family line is highly incongruous.
>
> Lack of Tension/Mystery: The mystery surrounding Ronin is often
> sacrificed for overt, melodramatic romance. The audience is shown what's
> happening, making the "reveal" less impactful.
>
> Character Regression: Crusher's professional, intelligent character
Objection, Your Honor, assume facts not in evidence
is largely sidelined, as she becomes almost immediately and illogically
obsessed with the spectral lover, making decisions that seem beneath her
Starfleet training and medical expertise.
>
The jokes just write themselves, donât they?
> The "Anaphasic Energy Being" Retcon: The attempt to explain the "ghost"
> using vague Trek technobabble (anaphasic energy) is transparently weak
> and fails to justify the supernatural setup.
>
> Overall Impression
>
> "Sub Rosa" is widely considered one of the weakest episodes of TNG. It is
> an attempt at a genre mash-up (gothic romance meets sci-fi) that
> unfortunately fails to integrate the two elements, resulting in a
> confusing, poorly executed, and often embarrassing story that feels
> wholly disconnected from the larger series narrative.
>
You like it a lot better than I did
> Rating: 2.5/10
>
> ChatGPT
>
> Good call â **âÂÂSub RosaâÂÂ** (TNG S7, Ep 14) is one of the most
> controversial / polarizing episodes in *The Next Generation*. HereâÂÂs my
> breakdown, based on its plot (e.g. from Chakoteya and other sources) plus
> critical reception â and then a rating.
>
> ---
>
> ## Review of *Sub Rosa*
>
> **What Works / Strengths**
>
> 1. **Ambitious Genre Blend**
>
> * The episode leans into gothic-romance / ghost story territory, which
> is quite different from your typical TNG plot. That risk is interesting,
> because it tries to do something *new* for Trek. ([Den of Geek][1])
> * According to *Den of Geek*, it combines âÂÂliterary appreciation,
> scientific inquiry, and silly conceits,â giving us a more atmospheric,
> mood-driven story rather than just a technobabble sci-fi plot. ([Den of Geek][1])
>
> 2. **Character Focus on Dr. Crusher**
>
> * This is one of the few episodes that deeply centers on Beverly
> CrusherâÂÂs personal / family life. That gives her emotional weight,
> beyond just being the EnterpriseâÂÂs doctor. ([Durfee][2])
> * There is an exploration of desire: *Den of Geek* notes that the
> episode addresses female sexuality more directly than typical Trek
> episodes. ([Den of Geek][1])
> * Gates McFaddenâÂÂs performance is earnest: despite the bizarre
> setup, she sells the emotional and seductive tension reasonably well.
>
> 3. **Creepy / Eerie Visuals**
>
> * There are genuinely creepy and gothic moments (storms, the old
> mansion, the candle as a receptacle) that give the episode a distinct
> atmosphere. ([Den of Geek][1])
> * The reveal that Ronin is not just a ghost but an âÂÂanaphasicâÂÂ
> alien lifeform gives a science-fiction twist to the romance / horror
> narrative. ([Wikipedia][3])
>
> 4. **Thematic Depth (to an Extent)**
>
> * Themes of legacy, family, and what we inherit (both physically and
> emotionally) are present: Beverly is literally dealing with her
> grandmotherâÂÂs past, and Ronin has âÂÂlivedâ through generations of
> her family. ([Durfee][2])
> * ThereâÂÂs a power / consent dynamic thatâÂÂs somewhat disturbing:
> Ronin exerts control, and thereâÂÂs a question of agency. Some critics
> (e.g., from Gameindustry) argue it parallels abusive relationships.
> ([Game Industry News][4])
>
> ---
>
> **What DoesnâÂÂt Work / Major Criticisms**
>
> 1. **Tone Misfit & Strange Premise**
>
> * Many feel that the gothic-romance, âÂÂsex with a ghost / candleâÂÂ
> angle is wildly out of place in *Star Trek*. ([Screen Rant][5])
> * The Scottish-ghost mansion on an alien planet feels campy and not
> fully integrated into the Trek universe in a believable way. ([Den of Geek][1])
> * Critics at *Gizmodo* call the episode âÂÂunhingedâ and argue that
> BeverlyâÂÂs agency is undermined: she is more a victim than an equal in
> the relationship. ([Gizmodo][6])
>
> 2. **Character Agency / Consent Issues**
>
> * According to some reviews, RoninâÂÂs âÂÂseductionâ is less about
> mutual romance and more about manipulation. ([Game Industry News][4])
> * Beverly seems to be under his influence, raising uncomfortable
> parallels to possession or abuse. *Gizmodo* suggests she loses a lot of
> her autonomy. ([Gizmodo][6])
> * The resolution is messy: she destroys the candle / host, but the
> emotional wrap-up (âÂÂwhatever else he might have done, he made her
> grandmother happyâÂÂ) feels like a gloss rather than a true reconciliation.
> ([Wikipedia][3])
>
> 3. **Critical / Fan Reception Is Largely Negative**
>
> * On IMDb, many users rate it very low. ([IMDb][7])
> * *Gizmodo* calls it one of TrekâÂÂs âÂÂlowest lows,â in terms of
> how it handles character, tone, and romantic horror. ([Gizmodo][6])
> * Still, itâÂÂs not universally hated: a *StarTrek.com* writer gave it
> **10/10** in a list of *underrated* episodes, praising its weirdness and
> emotional ambition. ([Redshirts Always Die][8])
> * On Reddit, opinions are mixed: some find it deeply flawed and
> cringe-worthy; others say if you lean into the weirdness, it can be âÂÂa
> fun, witchy romp.â ([Reddit][9])
>
> 4. **Writing / Plot Inconsistencies**
>
> * According to a review (Random Musings), Dr. CrusherâÂÂs behavior is
> inconsistent: at times she seems possessed, other times she claims she
> was âÂÂseduced,â which muddies whether she truly had agency. ([JPHalt's
> Star Trek TNG Reviews][10])
> * The subplot (weather control malfunction) is flimsy, not tightly
> connected to the emotional / gothic main plot, and doesnâÂÂt provide
> strong tension. ([JPHalt's Star Trek TNG Reviews][10])
> * Some of the âÂÂscientificâ explanations for Ronin (anaphasic
> alien, plasma-based candle) feel hand-wavy, especially given the erotic / romantic framing.
>
> ---
>
> **Overall Assessment**
>
> * *Sub Rosa* is *ambitious*, for sure â it tries to do something very
> different for *TNG*, blending gothic romance, horror, and sci-fi.
> * It provides a rare, deep âÂÂCrusher-centricâ emotional story, but it
> fails in many ways to fully justify or ground the bizarre premise.
> * The episode is tonally inconsistent: sometimes it's moody and creepy,
> sometimes melodramatic, sometimes unintentionally campy.
> * The biggest problem is how it handles BeverlyâÂÂs agency and consent:
> the romantic / sexual dynamic with Ronin is deeply troubling from a
> modern perspective and doesnâÂÂt land well for many viewers.
> * That said, there is something to appreciate in its weirdness â and
> some fans do enjoy it as a âÂÂcult oddballâ episode rather than a
> serious Trek morality play.
>
> ---
>
> **Rating: 4.5 / 10**
>
> I lean toward a low score because, for me, the conceptual risk is
> overshadowed by poor execution and problematic character dynamics. ItâÂÂs
> not the worst TNG episode, but itâÂÂs also not a hidden gem â more like
> a âÂÂso weird itâÂÂs memorable, but not in a good wayâ episode.
>
> ---
>
> [1]:
> https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/star-trek-the-next-generation-worst-episode-worth-watching/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "Why One of Star Trek: The Next Generation's Worst Episodes Is Still
> Worth Watching | Den of Geek"
> [2]: https://www.durfee.net/startrek/TNG_0714.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "Rob's STAR TREK Episode Guide"
> [3]:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_Rosa_%28Star_Trek%3A_The_Next_Generation%29?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "Sub Rosa (Star Trek: The Next Generation)"
> [4]:
> https://www.gameindustry.com/gamer-blogs/sub-rosa-the-secret-that-should-have-remained-a-secret/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "Sub Rosa: The Secret that Should Have Remained a Secret - Gameindustry.com"
> [5]:
> https://screenrant.com/star-trek-sub-rosa-worst-weakest-episode-joke-comic/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "Star Trek Calls Out One of The Weakest Episodes of Any Show"
> [6]:
> https://gizmodo.com/star-trek-sub-rosa-30th-anniversary-ghost-sex-candle-1851210280?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "30 Years on, TNG's Ghost Sex Episode Remains as Unhinged and Awful as Ever"
> [7]: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708778/reviews/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "\"Star Trek: The Next Generation\" Sub Rosa (TV Episode 1994) - User reviews - IMDb"
> [8]:
> https://redshirtsalwaysdie.com/2022/09/26/star-trek-writer-calls-sub-rosa-an-underrated-star-trek-the-next-generation-episode/?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "Star Trek writer calls âÂÂSub Rosaâ an underrated Star Trek: The Next
> Generation episode"
> [9]:
> https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/r7y56b?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "Sub-popular opinion: Sub Rosa is not bad"
> [10]:
> https://jphalt-startrek-tng-reviews.blogspot.com/2013/11/7-14-sub-rosa.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com
> "Star Trek: The Next Generation (1987 - 1994) - Random Musings: 7-14. Sub Rosa."
--
The last thing I want to do is hurt you, but it is still on my list.