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On 2024-04-17 11:40, Lil-man-ball wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 11:23:26 -0700
> Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2024-04-17 11:03, Lil-man-ball wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 09:59:24 -0700 Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> wrote:
>>>    
>>>> On 2024-04-17 09:13, Lil-man-ball wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 17 Apr 2024 08:28:59 -0400 JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>    
>>>>>> EVs suck. Lithium is a crisis. For real.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are other far more promising and less toxic batter
>>>>> technologies being suppressed, so...
>>>>>    
>>>>
>>>> Ah, the classic conspiracy nutcase argument:
>>>>
>>>> "There are secrets being kept from us...
>>>>
>>>> ...but somehow I know all about them!"
>>>
>>> Are you devoid of all knowledge but the Goo Goo brand?
>>
>> LOL
>>
>> This is your new thing, lil-ball-man?
>>
>>>
>>> https://newatlas.com/tag/batteries/
>>>
>>> https://newatlas.com/energy/iron-air-grid-battery/
>>>
>>> The advantages of an iron-air battery are simple and clear. Direct
>>> reduced iron is the cheapest form of iron available, and was
>>> previously mainly used in steelmaking. It's extremely abundant, and
>>> totally safe. So are water and air, the other two main ingredients.
>>>
>>> https://newatlas.com/technology/simple-tweak-creates-safer-more-efficient-solid-state-batteries/
>>>
>>>   Oak Ridge National Laboratory (ORNL) has come up with a small tweak
>>> that could have big consequences. By making a small change to how a
>>> type of solid-state battery is made, the scientists managed to
>>> eliminate defects in the electrolyte film, opening the way to safer
>>> and more efficient batteries.
>>>
>>> Solid-state batteries have a lot of promise. Unlike current
>>> lithium-ion batteries, solid-state ones don't contain flammable
>>> liquids, which are a major drawback as illustrated by stories of
>>> laptops and electric cars bursting into flames. Solid-state
>>> batteries are also less toxic, have higher energy densities, charge
>>> faster, and survive more recharge cycles without degenerating.
>>>
>>> https://newatlas.com/energy/form-energy-iron-battery-plant/
>>>
>>> Form's grid-scale batteries are built around huge flat iron-air
>>> cells, about a meter (3.3 ft) square, around 50 of which are slotted
>>> into modules the size of a washing machine and bathed in a liquid
>>> electrolyte. These cells effectively work using the rust cycle; you
>>> charge them up by applying energy to iron oxide, turning it back
>>> into metallic iron, then add oxygen to initiate the rust process and
>>> release energy.
>>>
>>> Iron is cheap and abundant, making these modules extremely
>>> affordable. They last a long time, they're safe and they're
>>> recyclable; if you tear down a battery you can take the metal out
>>> and use it elsewhere. These factors all combine to make them an
>>> exceptionally affordable form of energy storage, with a Levelized
>>> Cost of Storage (LCoS) more than 10 times lower than lithium
>>> batteries, even before you take the expected lithium resource
>>> squeeze into account.
>>>
>>> They won't charge or discharge as quickly as lithium, of course, so
>>> they'll likely work alongside lithium grid batteries in hybrid
>>> configurations, the iron-air batteries dealing with longer, slower
>>> load demands while the lithium packs handle momentary spikes. Form
>>> says that at scale, they'll deliver more than 3 MW of output
>>> capacity per acre, and they'll excel where energy needs to be
>>> stored for around 100 hours or more.
>>
>>
>> So completely NOT suppressed.
> 
> So completely NOT available to us today, yep - suppressed.

And were lithium batteries being "suppressed" back when people were 
talking about the technology but they weren't widely available?