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Subject: Re: A Texas Democrat Once Said In 2007 That Mail-In Ballot Fraud "Is
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2024 16:43:14 -0700
Organization: A noiseless patient Spider

On 2024-04-24 16:01, AlleyCat wrote:
> 
> A Texas Democrat Said In 2007 That Mail-In Ballot Fraud "Is The Greatest Source
> of Voter Fraud"
> 
> Fact-check: true

Congratulations.

You have provided a source that claims that someone SAID something.

Not that what that person said was actually true.

> 
> Mail-In Ballot Fraud Is Most Common
> 
> On July 29, three of the 57 Democrats of the Texas House testified before the
> U.S. House Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil Liberties, a continuation of
> their efforts to push Congress to pass federal protections for voting rights.
> 
> For nearly four hours, state Reps. Senfronia Thompson of Houston, Nicole
> Collier of Fort Worth and Diego Bernal of San Antonio were praised by some
> members of the subcommittee for taking a stand against Republicans' voting
> legislation, and grilled by others.
> 
> U.S. Rep. Chip Roy, a Republican from Hays County, was among those doing the
> grilling. Roy isn't a member of the Subcommittee on Civil Rights and Civil
> Liberties, but had received permission to attend the hearing and ask questions.
> 
> "Great to see my colleagues from Texas, although I wish it were under slightly
> different circumstances. Obviously, I think that you guys should be in Austin,
> Texas, performing those duties," Roy said.
> 
> He then proceeded to quiz the trio of state legislators on a variety of voting
> law specifics, asking them to answer in a yes or no fashion. One of those
> questions centered on the past remarks of one of their colleagues, state Rep.
> Rafael Anchía, D-Dallas.
> 
> "In 2007, your colleague, who also happens to be here in D.C., Rafael Anchía
> said, 'VOTE BY MAIL THAT WE KNOW IS THE GREATEST SOURCE OF VOTER FRAUD IN THIS
> STATE.'
> 
> Do you agree with Rep. Anchía, yes or no?" Roy asked.
> 
> Bernal threw up his hands. "I have nothing to base the fact that the greatest
> source of voter fraud is by mail," he said.
> 
> Roy pointed the question at Collier. "I'm not sure what the context was,"
> Collier said.
> 
> The Context:
> 
> State Rep. Briscoe Cain, R-Deer Park, an architect of the Republican voting
> legislation, also cited the quote in a clip circulated on Twitter.
> 
> A major provision of Republicans' legislation tightens restrictions and
> increases requirements related to mail-in voting in two ways. It would ban
> county election officials from sending unsolicited mail-in voting applications
> to eligible registered voters and it would add new ID requirements to vote-by-
> mail applications.
> 
> In the clip, Anchía is speaking in 2007 against House Bill 218, one of the
> Legislature's first attempts to pass a voter ID law to combat allegations of
> widespread voter impersonation. (That bill was defeated in the Senate that
> year, although a similar voter ID bill was resurrected and passed four years
> later.)
> 
> The quote comes from remarks Anchía made on April 23, 2007, in which he was
> attempting to dissuade his colleagues from voting for the bill. According to
> Anchía, the bill suffered two weaknesses: it had no protections against people
> using false IDs, and it allowed vote-by-mail to continue without proof of
> identification.
> 
> "VOTE BY MAIL, THAT WE KNOW, IS THE GREATEST SOURCE OF VOTER FRAUD IN THIS
> STATE. In fact, all of the prosecutions by the attorney general - I shouldn't
> say all, but a great majority of the prosecutions by the attorney general occur
> with respect to VOTE BY MAIL," Anchía said in 2007.
> 
> Cain posted the clip to his Facebook and Twitter pages July 22. Roy cited it in
> the congressional hearing one week later.
> 
> "Remember when TX State Rep. @RafaelAnchia admitted that vote-by-mail was 'the
> greatest source of election fraud' in Texas," Cain tweeted. "Now he's in DC
> pretending that election fraud is a myth."
> 
> Is vote by mail the 'greatest source' of voter fraud in Texas?
> 
> Anchía's office didn't respond to interview requests, so we turned to his
> Democratic colleague and ally, state Rep. Garnet Coleman, D-Houston - who
> remained in Texas for medical reasons while his fellow Democrats flew to D.C. -
> to get a sense of what Anchía was basing his claim on.
> 
> "Maybe he didn't know what he thought he knew," Coleman said. "He may be
> overstating this idea that there was a lot of mail-in ballot fraud."
> 
> (if there's a little, then it's more likely to be a lot, too)
> 
> Election fraud data obtained from the Texas attorney general's office through a
> request under the Texas Public Information Act affirms Anchía's 2007 statement
> that mail-in ballot fraud was the greatest source of voter fraud in the state.
> But the data also shows that voter fraud cases are exceedingly rare, both in
> 2007 and in the years since.
> 
> (cheaters don't do things that are easily found out, so the fraud might be a
> LOT more prevalent than "known")
> 
> For elections between 2004 and 2007, the attorney general's office convicted 33
> people of 163 voter fraud charges out of the tens of millions of ballots cast
> in the primary and general elections during those years. About 140 of those
> charges, or 85%, involved mail-in voter fraud.
> 
> (those are the ones who got caught. No telling how many didn't)
> 
> The proportion of mail-in ballot fraud among all voter fraud offenses through
> 2020 has decreased since then. According to the data, 58% of the 534 charges
> stemming from elections since 2004 involved mail-in voter fraud.
> 
> (when you're told how to cheat and get away with it, fewer people are going to
> get caught)
> 
> "If we can agree that this is the greatest source of fraud - as Anchía did,
> then it's reckless to expand it in ways that make it harder to detect.
> 
> (LOL... BINGO! My point, exactly)
> 
> If we do that, we only create further distrust in elections," Roy told
> PolitiFact. "If a store owner who says, 'We never sell alcohol to minors' never
> checks IDs, how much faith can we put in that statement?"
> 
> The cases the attorney general's office has prosecuted are the result of
> ongoing crackdowns on voter fraud over the last 15 years - during the tenure of
> Gov. Greg Abbott as attorney general and current Attorney General Ken Paxton.
> 
> In 2005, for instance, Abbott used part of a $1.4 million federal crime
> fighting grant to establish a voter fraud unit within his attorney general's
> office. One year later, the task force brought charges against 11 individuals.
> One involved a person illegally casting a ballot, the others involved people
> assisting seniors in casting mail-in ballots, according to the Lone Star
> Project.
> 
> In 2020, Paxton beefed up the voter fraud unit by dedicating more than 22,000
> staff hours to voter fraud cases that year, doubling the time the office spent
> working on fraud cases in 2018, according to the Houston Chronicle. The result
> was 16 prosecutions, all involving Harris County residents who gave false
> addresses on their voter registration forms.
> 
> According to Ed Martin, a political strategist and former executive director of
> the Texas Democratic Party, the mounting resources invested in finding voter
> fraud over the years versus the few cases prosecuted shows Republicans'
> underlying agenda.
> 
> "The consistent context has been an unrelenting national vote suppression
> agenda that is based on bogus fraud claims that are not supported by facts on
> the ground in Texas," Martin said.
> 
> And to Coleman, the attorney general's recent efforts to find voter fraud cases
> is an attempt to bolster former President Donald Trump's false claim that the
> 2020 election was rigged against him.
> 
> "This is all about keeping Trump voters believing that the election was
> stolen," said Coleman. "They wouldn't have to say that there 'are more than 100
> (fraudulent ballots). That's enough. People will believe it was stolen."
> 
> Speaking during an Aug. 1 rally outside the Texas Capitol, state Sen. Bryan
> Hughes, R-Mineola, framed the rationale behind Republican's voting legislation,
> which he authored, this way:
> 
> "The other side, they used to say, 'There's no evidence of voter fraud.' And so
> we showed them evidence, and then they started saying, 'Well, there's no
> evidence of widespread voter fraud.' And our question to them has been, how
> much fraud is okay?" he said.
> Our ruling
> 
> During a congressional hearing, Roy claimed that Anchía, a Democratic Texas
> House member currently breaking quorum in Washington, said in 2007 that mail-in
> ballot fraud "is the greatest source of voter fraud in this state." Anchía is
> one of 57 Texas Democratic lawmakers breaking quorum in order to block passage
> of a GOP voting bill, which includes new restrictions and requirements for
> mail-in voting.
> 
> Roy is correct. Anchía gave those remarks while speaking in opposition to a
> voter ID law in 2007, making the point that lawmakers should be focusing on
> fraud stemming from mail-in ballots rather than voter impersonation.
> 
> Anchía's statement is correct too. As of 2007, about 85% of voter fraud cases
> involved mail-in-ballot fraud. About 58% of voter fraud cases since 2005
> involve mail-in ballot fraud. But the total number of prosecutions are
> minuscule compared to the tens of millions of votes cast in the last 15 years.
> 
> We rate Roy's claim **True**.
> 
> ============================================================================
> 
> THIS is Joe Biden when not on drugs or stimulants and acts like himself:
> 
> https://ak2.rmbl.ws/s8/2/S/p/u/y/Spuyq.caa.mp4?b=1&u=ummtf
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xPhZcMYekKs?feature=share
> 
> https://youtu.be/NDdNDLvvk1g?t=27
> 
> https://youtu.be/NDdNDLvvk1g?t=36
> 
> https://youtu.be/hiDRFTVH0rY?t=20
> 
> https://youtu.be/KuhR-Nqv6Wg
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5JF7PupC58andpp=ygUSam9lIGJpZGVuIHNsZWVwaW5n
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gsMTe0Nr4Yandpp=ygUSam9lIGJpZGVuIHNsZWVwaW5n
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBUgHkbtm9Iandpp=ygUSam9lIGJpZGVuIHNsZWVwaW5n
> 
> =====
> 
> Ladies and Gentlemen... I give you the Democrats' best: Old-Rich-White-
> Religious Freak, Joe Biden
> 
> Or As Old-Rich-White-Religious Freak, Joe Biden Would Say: "Labadies and
> Gntlmn... I gve yu the Dmcrts' bst."
> 
> =====
> 
> Truinnerashuvvaduprezure!
> 
> https://i.imgur.com/vtb7SuM.mp4
> 
> https://youtu.be/Slm5bvO-_5I
> 
> =====
> 
> Joe Bidden Completely Forgets What He's Talking About In Excruciating Press
> Conference
> https://youtu.be/SdfvIvYPPRo?t=32
> 
> Joe Biden Gets Completely LOST in Middle of a Story
> https://rumble.com/vgbxnh-joe-biden-gets-completely-lost-in-middle-of-a-
> story.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab
> 
> 
> Biden tries to explain the Covid bill. This moron is President? Wow.
> https://twitter.com/i/status/1368292670372683776
> 
> 
> Biden's Dementia Flares Up, Has Complete Mental Short-Circuit During Speech
> https://rumble.com/ve8jlz-biden-briefly-malfunctions-again.html
> 
> 
> Out-Performed Every Presidential Challenger In US History?
> https://twitter.com/i/status/1364024001736155144
> 
> 
> Joe Biden: You Just Wonder
> https://youtu.be/Uj0ccJgJsPA
> 
> 
> Joe Biden Fumbles Through Speech
> https://youtu.be/0xwoaagXFyU
> 
> 
> Joe Biden Embarrassingly Delivers his WORST Speech while 'President Elect'
> https://youtu.be/oHI__YneMuE
> 
> 
> Barely There Biden Makes No Sense
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxxAyHgBiNU
> 
> 
> Joe Biden Stumbles, Makes No Sense
> https://youtu.be/X1byHpkSmYc
> 
> 
> Joe Biden Makes No Sense, Forgets When The 1918 Flu Pandemic Occurred
> https://youtu.be/vt7WPjsYl44
> 
> 
> Joe Biden making Zer0 sense
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYch-1fRhiE
> 
> 
> Joe Biden Told Voters To "Go To" A Phone Number. Now, He Still Makes Zero
> Sense!
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg4OUk0qyWM
>